Changing the rendering order of formsets is not clear

[Matthew Pava]

I have a formset that I'd like to modify the order of the forms in. I did overwrite the forms cached_property with a simple sorted addition to the base forms cached_property, but I soon discovered that data wasn't saving properly in some cases.

Apparently, I went about it all wrong. There's this little tiny tidbit here about rendering forms:
​https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.1/topics/forms/formsets/#:~:text=Iterating%20over%20a%20formset%20will,which%20returns%20the%20corresponding%20form

Iterating over a formset will render the forms in the order they were created. You can change this order by providing an alternate implementation for the __iter__() method.

Formsets can also be indexed into, which returns the corresponding form. If you override __iter__, you will need to also override __getitem__ to have matching behavior.

Okay, but I've never implemented an __iter__ method, and based on what I've read, you also have to implement a __next__ method. And you explicitly tell me to implement the __getitem__ method. I understand if you don't want to make changing the rendering ordering easier to implement in Django; however, I would appreciate more and better documentation including an example of how exactly to implement any of these methods to change the rendering order of a formset.

[Matthew Pava]

I was able to get it to work by basically putting the sorted expression into the __iter__ method and removing my implementation of forms.

    def __iter__(self):
        return (i for i in sorted([f for f in self.forms], key=self._sort_form_key, reverse=True))

[Sarah Boyce]

I agree an example would be nice

[Clifford Gama]

I'm not sure that we need to include an example, since the iterator protocol is Python and not Django, and is documented in python docs ​here, and emulating container types is documented ​here. Considering that, maybe a link to the docs or to an excellent tutorial may suffice, or we risk straying out of the scope Django docs and into into core Python fundamentals.

[Sarah Boyce]

I agree with you Clifford, but I was also quite tempted that we remove those two sentences entirely and reduce it just to:
Iterating over a formset will render the forms in the order they were created.

I'm not sure how much value we add by stating you can update the order of iterating by overriding the iterator (this should be the case for most things).

[Clifford Gama]

I think we can keep the sentences. This ticket shows that someone needs to reorder formsets, and pointing them to what they'd need to do to accomplish that is helpful. Maybe we can change the sentences so that we don't mention the specific methods__iter__, __get_item__ and __next__: something like: "you can change the order by overriding the iterator protocol" with a link the relevant Python docs. Or maybe keep the methods, but make them link to their own docs.

[Natalia Bidart]

I also think that keeping the sentence helps since I wouldn't have considered overriding __iter__ to control the formset ordering. I agree with Clifford that we should say something along the line "this is really implementing the methods that define an object as an iterable". For example pointing to ​https://docs.python.org/3/glossary.html#term-iterable, but please note that formsets provide an iterable API (which is slightly different from an iterator API: the former implement __iter__ and __getitem__, and the latter __iter__ and __next__).

[Clifford Gama]

​PR